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Our 6th Rounder From Central Michigan

Posted by on Friday, 31 October, 2014

I remember thinking in 2010, “They took another wide receiver?” Why? They already have Hines, Mike Wallace and just signed Cotchery, who is pretty good. On top of that they took Sanders in the 3rd.”

What a mistake it would have been not taking this kid. And what if he had stayed in school for one more year and not come out until 2011? Would he be a Steeler today? I have to believe he would have gone higher and likely not been taken by Pittsburgh.

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Best, Worst, and Ordinary Draft Classes

Posted by on Saturday, 30 August, 2014

As we get ready for the launching of the 2014 draft class next weekend, a class that has promise of being a good one, let’s take a look at draft history for context. It’s pretty much universally agreed that the best draft class in Steelers history, and indeed in all NFL history, is 1974. That draft class delivered an astonishing four Hall of Famers in the first five picks, a feat unlikely to be matched in our lifetimes. But what were the other top classes? And what about the worst? The sortable table below helps to reveal the answers. (Before you object, this kind of analysis is of course very limited. For one thing, the numbers follow the players rather than the team. The data reveals something about the value of Steelers draft selections regardless of whether the players played for Pittsburgh or for other teams.)

In this chart, we are looking at all draft classes from 1969 to 2008. The “modern era” can be considered to have begun for the Steelers with the drafting of Joe Greene in 1969, so that sets the start of the evaluation. Because recent draft classes are still writing their stories, we can’t look at them. Classes that are less than about five or six years are still largely active in the NFL so their full numbers will not be known for awhile. On the other hand, we know that the story of the 2008 class is now complete because none of the draftees remain active in the NFL. Not only does this hint at some of the answers to come, but it also provides a good ending point for the evaluation. It is true that there are a smattering of active players from previous years, but not too many. Seasons prior to 2000 are officially “in the books” as there are no longer active players, but years from 2000-2007 are still incomplete, and in the cases of 2004 and 2007, significantly incomplete. But, we have to start and stop somewhere.

The chart shows the following results for each year: HOF players, total games played by draftees, total all-pro player-years, total pro-bowl player-years, total player-years as primary starters, and total game starts. If we look by HOF players, there is no doubt that 1974 wins easily so we need look no further. Total games played (G) is not necessarily an indicator of the greatness of individual players, but it does tell us something about the overall net impact of the class on the team and therefore is a good indicator of the quality of the draft. By this measure, ’87, ’71, and ’93 were the best, with over 1000 total games played each. On the other end of the scale, the very worst draft class is 2008 which produced only 201 games played. At 285, the 2006 class was not much better.

The results for all pro (AP) and pro bowl (PB) are consistent with each other. The best are ’74 and ’87 by a significant margin. Similarly, years as primary starters (PS) and total game starts (GS) are consistent. 1987 produced the most primary starters and game starts, followed by ’71 and ’74. On the flip side, 1983 and 2008 tied for the most anemic starters by a wide margin, with only 5 player-years as primary starters from each of those classes. The 1983 years would have been somewhat better had the Steelers selected Dan Marino, but instead the most significant player from that class was a punter. Total game starts reveals an additional bad year, 1978. That class produced only 75 total game starts, consistent with the beginning of the end of the Dynasty. To be fair, it must have been hard to break into the extant starting lineup. 2008 provided only 81 game starts, while 1985 produced 87 and 1983 produced 89, delivering the doldrums of the Steelers Lost Decade. It’s easy to see how one or two bad drafts can result in several years of mediocrity. Given the 2008 class, there is little room for error in 2014.

Click below to see and sort the table.

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Fans Skeptical of Joe Greene

Posted by on Friday, 30 May, 2014

You may have noticed that I love looking back at old newspapers and swimming in the contemporary zeitgeist. One of the joys of this activity is 20-20 hindsight on Steelers history.

I searched for the January 29, 1969 issue of the Pittsburgh Press because this was the day after Chuck Noll was selected by Dan Rooney to be the head coach of the Steelers, and we all know how that turned out. But interestingly, this newspaper issue also turned out to be the one immediately following the NFL draft. Hard to believe, but in those days the draft was held in January just after the Super Bowl. At the current pace, in a few years the draft may be held a week before the start of the season… but I digress.

The paper reported on fan reaction to the drafting of Joe Greene in the first round. I found some of the comments to be oddly familiar.

One guy was incensed that the Steelers bypassed a chance to select Terry Hanratty and instead opted for a no-name defensive lineman. A bus driver commented, “I never heard of him… They had a chance at Hanratty? They didn’t take  him?” The Steelers did take Hanratty in the second round, and we know how that worked out too. Nothing against Terry, but choosing him in the first round would have been popular with the fans but a disaster for the Steelers, particularly after another Terry was chosen with the first pick a year later.

Another commented, “Actually, the way the Steelers are going, I’m not surprised at the pick. I would have liked to see them line up a secondary.”  No word on if this guy’s name is MWalsh. 🙂

A salesman, perhaps named Malsor, added, “Am I surprised? You better believe it. The sports fans here are so sick at heart that I can’t see this move. Oh well, they didn’t get Paterno either.”

An unnamed stockbroker turned out to be perhaps the wisest of this bunch. “Joe Greene must have been rated pretty good. The scouts from the Steelers haven’t been too good, but I got to go with him. They know more than I do.”

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WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE DRAFT?

Posted by on Monday, 12 May, 2014

What do you think of the Steelers’ picks today? Is there anyone you wish they had picked up? Anyone you wish they had not drafted? Anyone who you knew they wouldn’t, that you believe will be a good pro?

Put it down in the comments. This will make for an interesting look back conversation in a year.

List of Steelers Visits (SD list) and their projected rounds and the ESPN Trade Tracker

Posted by on Friday, 9 May, 2014

Trade Tracker: http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10900002/trade-tracker

I took most of the grades from Scouts, Inc just for the sake of speed.

Bear in mind that this does not take into account anyone who’s pro day they attended and visited with there or any extended discussions they had with someone at the combine.  It may offer hints, but isn’t the only way to project what they are going to do.

 

Pos. First Last Proj. Rd. Drafted
ILB Ryan Shazier 1 *The Mighty, Mighty Pittsburgh Steelers 1st
DE Stephen Tuitt 1 or 2 *The Mighty, Mighty Pittsburgh Steelers 2nd
WR Martavis Bryant 3 *The Mighty, Mighty Pittsburgh Steelers 4th
CB Shaquille Richardson 7 or UDFA *The Mighty, Mighty Pittsburgh Steelers 5th
OLB Jordan Zumwalt 6 *The Mighty, Mighty Pittsburgh Steelers 6th
TE Rob Blanchflower 7 *The Mighty, Mighty Pittsburgh Steelers 7th
CB Kyle Fuller 1 1st – Bears
CB Bradley Roby 1 1st – Broncos
CB Darqueze Dennard 1 1st – Bungholes
S Deone Bucannon 2 1st – Cardinals
CB Jason Verrett 1 1st – Chargers
S Calvin Pryor 1 1st – Jets
DT Aaron Donald 1 1st – Rams
OLB Anthony Barr 1 1st – Vikings
OLB Demarcus Lawrence 1 or 2 2nd – Cryboys
DT Ra’Shede Hageman 1 2nd – Falcons
WR John Brown 5 or 6 3rd – Cardinals
CB Phillip Gaines 3 3rd – Chiefs
WR Donte Moncrief 4 3rd – Colts
DE Scott Crichton 2 3rd – Vikings
RB Jerick McKinnon 5 or 6 3rd – Vikings
WR Bruce Ellington 2 or 3 4th – 49ers
S Brock Vereen 3 or 4 4th – Bears
CB Ross Cockrell 5 4th – Bills
OLB Carl Bradford 4 4th – Packers
OLB Kevin Pierre-Louis 6 4th – Seahawks
WR Quincy Enunwa 7 6th – Jets
S Jemea Thomas 5 or 6 6th – Patriots
RB Lache Seastrunk 5 6th – Redskins
OT Seantrel Henderson 5 or 6 7th – Bills
DT Beau Allen 7 7th – Philadelphia
DE Jackson Jeffcoat 4 UDFA – Seattle
OG Lawrence Martin 7 or UDFA No idea.
S Nick Williams 6 or 7 No idea.

 

Steelers First Round Pick Prognostications

Posted by on Thursday, 8 May, 2014

Okay gang, here’s your chance for future bragging rights. You get to pick in real-time to prove you really belong in the Steelers War Room.

Here are the rules.

1.You can’t make your pick until the Steelers are on the clock.

2.You can’t make your pick after the official pick is announced.

3. IMPORTANT!  To enter your pick, select Other and type in your pick followed by your username, e.g. “Limas Sweed, bgigli”. DO NOT pick an entry already created by another user. Each draft pick / user combination needs to be unique.

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JMS55 is the winner!!! She can’t spell, but she sure knows her Steelers. Well done.

Mock Draft

Posted by on Friday, 4 April, 2014
  • 1) Houston Texans select: Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
  • 2) St. Louis Rams select: Sammy Watkins, WR, Clemson
  • 3) Jacksonville Jaguars select: Blake Bortles, QB, UCF
  • 4) Cleveland Browns select: Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
  • 5) Oakland Raiders select: Teddy Bridgewater, QB, Louisville
  • 6) Atlanta Falcons select: Kahlil Mack, OLB, Buffalo
  • 7) Tampa Bay Buccaneers select: Mike Evans, WR, Texas A&M
  • 8) Minnesota Vikings select: Derek Carr, QB, Fresno St.
  • 9) Buffalo Bills select: Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn
  • 10) Detroit Lions select: Justin Gilbert, CB, Oklahoma State
  • 11) Tennessee Titans select: Anthony Barr, OLB, UCLA
  • 12) New York Giants select: Aaron Donald, DT, Pittsburgh
  • 13) St. Louis Rams select: Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M
  • 14) Chicago Bears select: Timmy Jernigan, DT, Florida State
  • 15) Pittsburgh Steelers select: Darqueze Dennard, CB, Michigan State
  • 16) Dallas Cowboys select: Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, S, Alabama
  • 17) Baltimore Ravens select: Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan
  • 18) New York Jets select: Eric Ebron, TE, North Carolina
  • 19) Miami Dolphins select: Odell Beckham Jr., WR, LSU
  • 20) Arizona Cardinals select: Kony Ealy, DE, Missouri
  • 21) Green Bay Packers select: Calvin Pryor, S, Louisville
  • 22) Philadelphia Eagles select: Brandin Cooks, WR, Oregon State
  • 23) Kansas City Chiefs select: Marqise Lee, WR, USC
  • 24) Cincinnati Bengals select: Ryan Shazier, OLB, Ohio State
  • 25) San Diego Charger select: Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
  • 26) Cleveland Browns select: C.J. Mosley, ILB, Alabama
  • 27) New Orleans Saints select: Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida State
  • 28) Carolina Panthers select: Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame
  • 29) New England Patriots select: Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington
  • 30) San Francisco 49’ers select: Bradley Roby, CB, Ohio State
  • 31) Denver Broncos select: Jason Verrett, CB, TCU
  • 32) Seattle Seahawks select: Stephon Tuitt, DT, Notre Dame

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Where Copanut Makes a Mockery of Mock Drafts

Posted by on Wednesday, 22 January, 2014

As I’ve said before, I’m pretty much always wrong about the draft from top to bottom. Then again the experts are usually wrong too, so what the hell.

This isn’t so much a mock draft as a list of the kinds of picks I’d like to see in the first four rounds. Bear in mind that I haven’t watched tape and am going only by various descriptions I’ve seen on these prospects. Also, I’m not taking character issues into consideration because I haven’t seen a lot of insight in that regard.

In subsequent rounds, I’d stock up on best available DL, LB, CB, and S prospects. I’d be tempted to spend one of those late round picks on a top punter.

I know the nose tackle is further down than some would like, but I think there has to be a realization that the team will have to live with its current NT situation for a year or two until someone big can be developed. McCullers is a mammoth human specimen that could be that guy in 2015. Here is his analysis from CBS Sports:

STRENGTHS: Despite his inexperience, McCullers’ size and ability to disrupt things from the middle often made him the focus of an opponent’s blocking scheme. Has been double-teamed on most snaps and has even seen triple-team blocks often. Despite the attention, McCullers’ size and strength make him tough to move in the running game. He plays with better leverage than one might expect given his frame, holding up well inside and sliding off blockers to handle two-gap responsibilities when playing the 3-4 nose guard. He was equally impressive against the run when Tennessee switched to a four-man front in 2012.

WEAKNESSES: While McCullers’ is tough against the run, he offers little in terms of a pass rush. He certainly has the strength to simply push opponents into the pocket but possesses below average foot-quickness and lateral agility.

I would also try to supplement this with a decent FS and/ or CB from free agency, if available.

There you have it. Blast away.

BGINTN’s Special Spot

Posted by on Tuesday, 14 January, 2014

BIGINTN asked, “COPA Can you create a space for us to list our “special” players in the draft and who we would pick if they are available at #15? It sure looks like there could be an impact player available that also fills an immediate need”.

Ask and you shall receive.

You can comment on this thread to highlight your faves. Sometime closer to the draft we can gather up final predictions.

Some Possible 1st Round Picks

Posted by on Thursday, 2 January, 2014

I’m no expert on the draft. In fact, I’m pretty much always wrong. I don’t follow college football very closely and pay little attention to these issues until the draft rolls around. In other words, at best my opinion is a gnat’s eyelash away from completely worthless. But that won’t stop me from posting an article on the subject anyway.

Based on history, my expectation is that the Steelers will effectively position themselves with pre-draft signings in order to avoid having to pick a particular position, and thus will be able to pick best available player from a pool of several positions of need. It seems clear that the majority of their picks should be for defense because they have so many areas to improve on that side of the ball, but even so the first pick could go either way. My guess is they will take the best available player from TE, WR, CB, OLB, and possibly DL.

I thought it would be fun to look at who might be there at spot 15 from among that subset of positions. For this exercise, I like to use WalterFootball.com as they do a pretty nice job of living and breathing this stuff year round. They usually summarize players in each category by indicating which round they feel the player will fall. If they feel the player will fall in the early part of the first round, they will indicate that the player is likely a “top 20” pick, for example. For our purposes we can consider players listed as likely first round, or as likely top 20, but of course it’s possible or even probably that one or more “likely top 10” picks will fall to the Steelers, as this seems to happen annually.

I’m only providing a partial snapshot of the information from WalterFootball.com. If you want to read more about these players, go directly to that site.

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